That is a major glossover to a very legitimate contradiction in the Bible. Usually they make some attempt to come up with an explanation of sorts. This offers none whatsoever.
Eiben Scrood
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Jw explanation on Nephilim Gen;6:4 And Numbers 13:33
by jam ina few months ago two jw women caught me unexpectedly, so they talk about the.
usual jw none sense.
the nite before i was reading and researching the nephilim.. more proof to disclaim the flood.
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Generation Teaching - Everyone is speechless?
by Red Piller inmaybe the effect of this change is bigger than realized?
in 1995, it was discussed (positively) by everybody, during the week we studied the wt.
one elder stepped down and was looked down upon.
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Eiben Scrood
djeggnog - could you possibly expand your posts a little? You write in such a brief fashion. I think you should try to be a little more verbose.
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Generation Teaching - Everyone is speechless?
by Red Piller inmaybe the effect of this change is bigger than realized?
in 1995, it was discussed (positively) by everybody, during the week we studied the wt.
one elder stepped down and was looked down upon.
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Eiben Scrood
I think the elephant in the room is whether a God of love would play with people's emotions and lives this way. Just say it's true that the Watchtower is backed by Jehovah - would you want to worship a God that does this to people? That intentionally uses his holy spirit to influence the governing body to make these changes knowing that he's going to use this same spirit to change it again a few years later and in the meantime seriously affect millions of people who are trying their best to serve you?
I know that's not a god I'd want to worship.
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It's Really Just a Social Club
by Eiben Scrood inat least for many..... i remember looking around at meetings and so many in the audience seemed to be in another world.
people would get up and talk at the back shamelessly.
meetings were a good opportunity to make plans with friends.
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undercover - thanks for your trenchant analysis and relating of your experience.
"It was when I actually took it serious and tried to separate myself from the pretenders that I saw through it. It didn't stand up to the test."
Exactly! That's the irony of the whole thing. They encourage personal study but for me it mainly just raised questions and doubts. Perhaps they mean mindless personal study equipped with a highlighter and no brain cells.
I relate to what everyone else said too. I don't know though if it can be said that most religions are that way. Most don't go around demeaning the rest of humanity and preach such viciousness.
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It's Really Just a Social Club
by Eiben Scrood inat least for many..... i remember looking around at meetings and so many in the audience seemed to be in another world.
people would get up and talk at the back shamelessly.
meetings were a good opportunity to make plans with friends.
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Eiben Scrood
at least for many....
I remember looking around at meetings and so many in the audience seemed to be in another world. People would get up and talk at the back shamelessly. Meetings were a good opportunity to make plans with friends. Service? Get a fun car group, preferably in a minivan and get a bunch of return visits lined up, hopefully at opposite ends of the territory, and take a good long break. It really isn't so bad, lots of laughs, very little interaction with the public, perhaps leave a Watchtower at a "good-time Charlie" call in which the householder has established a friendship of sorts with the publisher but obviously couldn't care less about the literature that's been left for the last 10 years.
I took it so seriously for so long. Studying anything I could get my hands on, researching old publications, analyzing each and every verse of the Bible. I think I was the exception. Most get a cursory outline of beliefs, most of which they could never backup up on their own, and carry on in blissful ignorance. Most are clueless about the real history of the organization, just how completely whacky some of the beliefs are. It's Jehovah this and Jehovah that. Revelation? Daniel? 1914-1919, 1922, 1926, 1938, 1944 - all identified as prophetic years? Most have no clue let alone being able to show something from the Bible proving these dates.
What holds the vast majority in is the social and family aspect. How many of these people would leave their worldly circle of friends to join at this point in time? Not many. But once you've been in for a while and it's become your world, it's scary to contemplate life outside of it. So they hold on, not really thinking, perhaps having a vague sense that something isn't right, but just shuffle along.
I think proof of this lies in those that have accepted the overlap generation teaching. It probably wasn't even noticed by half of the mind-numbed attendees.
Like that governing body member said during the 1980 shake-up at Bethel: avoid deep study of the Bible, get a hobby. Thinkers and studiers are the Watchtower's enemies.
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Why did "Back Calls" change to "Return Visits"?
by donuthole indoes anyone remember the rationale that was used in rebranding "back calls" as "return visits"?.
while on the subject does anyone else remember any theocratic name changes like,.
district assembly to district convention.
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Eiben Scrood
They often like to change stuff just for the sake of change, as a way to get the troops excited about something. No Armageddon? Who cares? Jehovah's celestial chariot is moving forward with constant name changes. At the annual meeting, it was announced, I'm sure to thunderous applause, that the Ministerial Training School is now the Bible School for Single Brothers (or something like that). How is that better? Did Jehovah whisper in the ear of the Governing Body that this should be its correct name?
It's just one more stupid thing the Watchtower does to try to make itself look special.
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A sense of displacement--holidays and what not
by sd-7 insome days it's a sense of almost temporal displacement--perhaps the belief that someone went back in time and changed something, so that this moment is not what it was meant to be.
other days it's a literal displacement, waking up alone, since i move too much in my sleep and it became clear that i should sleep separately from my wife.
anyway, i feel this odd, hollow sense of sadness.
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Eiben Scrood
I completely agree about the holidays. I still hate most of them with the exception of Thanksgiving. I like that they are times to spend with family but I honestly am not into them and never will be.
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Generation Teaching - Everyone is speechless?
by Red Piller inmaybe the effect of this change is bigger than realized?
in 1995, it was discussed (positively) by everybody, during the week we studied the wt.
one elder stepped down and was looked down upon.
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Eiben Scrood
I don't know where you're from but the 1995 change was HUGE!! What do you mean, it was accepted positively? Even longtime dubs who remained in expressed their dismay with the change.
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any active or inactive jw from Massachusetts
by TheLoveDoctor inany active or inactive jw from massachusetts.
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Eiben Scrood
I'm from Massachusetts.
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Making the final break - stopping attending the Memorial
by Eiben Scrood ini started my fade in 2004 and completely quit regular attendance in 2005. i have, however, gone to all the memorials since.
i still consider myself christian and felt it was a somewhat decent way of respecting the sacrifice.. i am thinking of not going this year.. i am generally disgusted at what the memorial observation actually entails.
there is almost no talk about what jesus went through on that day or even the tremendous sacrifice involved and the love that motivated it.
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Eiben Scrood
I got far more appeciation for the ransom sacrifice after watching The Passion of the Christ than from any Memorial I've attended.
I have so much hate and anger for this religion that I guess I just can't stomach attending anymore.